furling staysail ,advice needed

[Dennis]

Hi Dennis

PS I've now adopted your method of lifting up the waterstay when on the mooring to clear the mooring lines. Graham

Hello Graham

Thanks for the comment. I have just added a photo of the "waterstay raising system" to the album - Mary Ann Modifications.

For the benefit of anyone interested, I did this to prevent the waterstay rubbing against the mooring rope. Mary Ann stays on a swinging mooring attached to a buoy and I have had trouble in the past with abrasion of the mooring rope.

Cheers

Dennis

CC19 #100 Mary Ann

[Simon Head]

Its an interesting one this.

I had a replacement Honnor Marine mast with a HM mast band but used my old SA shrouds. Next time I have everything out I will measure them.

It sounds as if they are too long on newer boats. I get them all about 15mm max in to a point I can twang them- a wooden mast should take this as it is in compression. The shrouds need to be tight to stop the mast pumping in windy conditions. This is caused by slack shrouds on the leeward side of the boat.

Regards

Simon
CC40 Halcyon

[oak]

Simon,Iam still not completely happy with my staysail furling.
The forestay could perhaps be a bit tighter but I would have to achieve that by cranking up the shrouds,which I am reluctant to do.
My little problem is that when I wind up the staysail everything goes ok until the sheets start to wrap the sail, then the top swivel seems to stop working and the whole lot tries to wrap round the forestay.wrapping up to put the boat to bed.
I can prevent this by slackening the halyard.
Do you have to slacken off?
Any advice welcome
The other really annoying thing is that on the Yankee the hem twists on wind up so that the u.v strip is not covering the sail.
Oak
"Merlin"

[Simon Head]

Hi Oak

I do not think this is to do with the tension in the forestay.

When I furl the staysail I normally only furl it maximum once around the forestay with the sheet. If I am taking it apart for trailing I take all the sheet out from the bulls eyes/power cleats, and then coil it and hold it to the sail with a sail tie.

If I am in cruising mode I furl the sail with a maximum of one turn of the sheet around the foresaty and then use a sail tie to stop the furl breaking out.

I also do this with the Genoa or Yankee.

Hope this answers your question

Regards

Simon

[oak]

Thanks for that Simon,I still can't see why the swivel stops swivelling.The genoa wraps up as many turns of the sheet I want so that the sail is nicely locked up.
next time you are sailing how about seeing if your stay sail sheets will wrap round the sail, so to encourage[discourage] me
regrds
Jack
Merlin
I am using the same top swivel as you are

[Black Sheep]

Dear colleagues,
I ordered a furler on my staysail and the swivel with forestay guard. However, it was impossible to mount the Ronstan furler behind the forestay, it seems that the mounting-eye is simple too close to the forestay on my boat. To solve this problem I mounted a 10 centimeter pair of stainless steel strips and a twisted shackle in between the deck and the furler. As a result the furler could be mounted and now it is also free from the bow roller. Furthermore, when combined with the forestay guard swivel, the staysail and the forestay are parallel, and so far operate smoothly (even when the forestay does not " twang").
I will add an album with this and other modifications of CC 104 Black Sheep.
kind regards for now,
Black Sheep.

[oak]

Hello Michel,
wish you all the best with your new boat.perfect for your waters I should imagine.It's some years since I had a BM.

now a question.
with the stainless steel strap fitted,what is the distance between the top swivel and the staysail halyard.?
Oak
"Merlin"

[oak]

Hello Michel,
wish you all the best with your new boat.perfect for your waters I should imagine.It's some years since I had a BM.

now a question.
with the stainless steel strap fitted,what is the distance between the top swivel and the staysail halyard.?
Oak
"Merlin"

I see that I have left a word out ,it should read staysail halyard block.
Oak
p.s.I enjoyed the pun on your boats name

[Black Sheep]

Hello Oak,

thnx for your kind wishes! And yes, I used to sail a BM too! (my father purchased one when I was 13). Anyway, regarding your question, the distance between the staysail swivel and the halyard block is (by estimation, standing on deck) 60 centimeter.

Michel
CC104 Black Sheep

[Dennis]

Hello all

I am now well into my fourth season with Mary Ann with a hanked on staysail.

I have thought about changing to a furler on many occasions but have stuck with the hanked on arrangement, mainly because it sets beautifully with a rod straight luff.

However, after 10 days of marina hopping in Friesland plus the inevitable midday moorings (lunch), I realised that life would be easier without the staysail flapping around my ankles when on the foredeck.

So I am (again) thinking of changing to a furler for the staysail.

Has anyone any further experiences to add to this thread which would help?